Just another plug for Ivan Tyrrell’s (Principal of MindFields College) YouTube video on the link between depression and dreaming – if you haven’t already seen it!
For further information on why depressed people wake up exhausted see here: www.why-we-dream.com/depression.htm
Posted by: Eleanor
Here is an oldish interview with Joe Griffin answering questions on REM sleep, depression, psychosis, trauma, conflict and cult behaviour, published in New Scientist in April 2003:
We live in mad times. The WHO predicts depression will soon rank second in the global disease burden, suicide rates are rising, and the trauma caused by war, conflict or domestic abuse is everywhere. The toll is horrific: mental illness costs Britain alone £32 billion a year. And people looking for therapy face a confusing tower of psychobabble, with 400-plus often warring schools of thought. Enter JOE GRIFFIN, who says there is a way to lift depression in a day, and told BARBARA KISER he can prove it.
How can you deal with serious depression in just a day?
The important thing is to know how depression is manufactured in the brain. Once you understand that, you can correct the maladaptive cycle incredibly fast. For 40 years it’s been known that depressed people have excessive REM sleep. They dream far more than healthy people. What we realised – and proved – is that the negative introspection, or ruminations, that depressed people engage in actually causes the excessive dreaming. So depression is being generated on a 24-hour cycle and we can make a difference within 24 hours to how a person feels.
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A study on sleep shows that rats who have less sleep have a higher level of stress hormone corticosterone, and produces less braincells in the region of the hippocampus. Another indication of the importance of getting the right amount of sleep – well in rats at least.
We constantly inform people about the importance of sleep and warn that inadequate amounts of REM sleep, either too much or too little, is related to the development of depressive feelings at one end of the spectrum and states of psychosis at the other – but when applying this knowledge to your own life, how can you be sure that you personally are managing your sleep effectively? This is an area in which no clinical study will be able to help you, as each and every person is unique, with thousands of different variables which influence the amount and quality of REM sleep you might need.
As I experience it, despite my awareness and all I have learned about the importance of REM sleep and dreaming – I still have days where I know I would feel better if I had managed my sleep with more care.
I have never been someone who relishes early mornings, and I prefer to stay up late than get up early. My sleeping pattern is thus: I go to sleep later and later during the week (normally anywhere between 12 and 2am – while waking up at 8.00am) and I mostly sleep in until 11 or so at least one day at the weekend (this is a habit left over from University!).
However, I do now notice that when I have slept and dreamt too much, even if it’s only for one night, I really feel unmotivated, miserable, listless and my head aches for the rest of the day. I now account for this and have learned to recognise when to force myself to not go back to sleep or stay in bed for a few extra hours. So many times I have kidded myself that a lie-in would be nice, and have woken up feeling awful and regretting it.
I’d go so far as to say that one day of too much REM sleep affects me more than a few nights of sleep deprivation, so personally, I monitor my sleeping to accomodate this need. I can see that low periods in my life (not depression, just natural ebs and flows) correlated with times where I wasn’t sleeping properly or getting my emotional needs met.
The one thing that cemented a healthy sleeping pattern for me was having a job and a routine – and I have definitely benefitted from and improved my life through understanding how REM sleep can affect your state of mind.
Posted by: Eleanor
I must admit I don’t know much about Scientology at all, apart from vague unformulated ideas about aliens and pictures of Tom Cruise looking positively manic, so I have only recently noticed that Scientology is very associated with the idea that mental health problems can be treated without drugs.
I had previously dismissed Scientology as some strange cult that I had no need to think about but now I see all over the internet such phrases as “contrary to the lies spread by Scientology, depression is a real physical illness with physical causes.” and there also seems to be an “anti-psychiatry movement” going on, which is also associated with Scientologists.
I can see that this topic is far more prominant in the US than the UK though of course thanks to the internet, geography is no longer a boundary in discussing and learning about approaches to mental health.
Living in the UK myself, I feel like I am more removed from these perceptions of Scientology and I am mildly concerned (probably due to my own ignorance) about this growing “two camp” situation in the US, the pharmaceuticals vs the scientology no-drugs-treatment. By default I am also concerned about where Human Givens fits into all this, especially for say, an American who chances upon this blog or our websites and doesn’t know anything about us.
I say this as I have noticed in my online prowlings HG being suspected of an association with Scientology (!?!), I suppose because of our more ‘holistic’ method of therapy and our openness to accept that drug treatments are not always necessary, and our advancement of the idea that depression is not always simply a chemical imbalance.
Is anyone more knowledgable about Scientology than me, could provide some more insight into this thought or tell me where I am going wrong in my assumptions? I will do some more research but I thought I’d throw it out here as well to see if anything interesting comes up.
Posted by: Eleanor
I’ve been reading Seroxat Secrets, a blog about the pharmaceutical industry (specifically GlaxoSmithKline) and how research surrounding the anti-depressant is often misrepresented.
Worth a look if this interests you.
Posted by: Eleanor
TEACHING GPs the skills to offer brief cognitive behaviour therapy (CBT) to patients with depression has “no discernible impact” on outcome for the patients, a recent randomised controlled trial has found. But, alas, instead of questioning whether there might be a more effective way for GPs to offer brief therapy for depression within their time constraints, the researchers appear to conclude that GPs need much more training to acquire cognitive behaviour therapy’s “complex skills”.